Curse

Brother Andicus · Jan 06, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

Brother - Protective only works against ONE attack, so it doesn't make you immune to spikes - it just protects against one of the spikers. If you're getting spiked and recognize it, dropping Tsungrai is instantaneous as well, unless you've been knocked down.

Thats not what the skill description says. It says it won't be triggered until you reach 25% health, at which point you will recieve a large heal. That large heal effectively gives you massive starting HP, which is why you can't very easily be spiked. And why the hell would you drop it??? The whole point is you are protected while holding it. And yes it slows you kiting, but you cant kite shadow prison or spiritual pain anyway.

Count to Potato · Jan 06, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Brother Andicus

Thats not what the skill description says. It says it won't be triggered until you reach 25% health, at which point you will recieve a large heal. That large heal effectively gives you massive starting HP, which is why you can't very easily be spiked. And why the hell would you drop it??? The whole point is you are protected while holding it. And yes it slows you kiting, but you cant kite shadow prison or spiritual pain anyway.

Don't forget holding an item will reduce your health/energy/abilities dramatically, having this skill in HA is useless, and in RA Generous is much easier to use

Brother Andicus · Jan 06, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Who said anything about HA?

And it will reduce your health by max of 60(from staff). The 60 health loss isnt so bad in comparison to a potential 200+HP heal.

And i'm not saying the skill is great or ever likely to see widespread use, but the fact is, there IS a use for it, and its far from bad.

Russell.Crowe · Jan 06, 2007, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

[skill]Wary Stance[/skill]

This is very similar to Bonetti's Defense, except that (1) it uses energy versus adrenaline and (2) it ONLY works on attack SKILLS (and not just normal attacks). I haven't seen any primary or secondary warrior build that has incorporated this skill over another stance.

I may think of more...

i have used it in some of my solo builds, very effective when running past them annoying assassins that use leaping mantis and such

Those magehunter and magebane skills I am not a big fan of. Also I'm not a big fan of healing breeze, too much energy for too little healing output

Brother Andicus · Jan 06, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by Russell.Crowe

healing breeze, too much energy for too little healing output

Thats also a bit of a misconception. Sure its not energy efficient on a monk primary where you get a divine boost which makes 2 small heals much better. But on a secondary monk it is actually fine as far as energy is concerned. Its problems lay more in the fact that it is A) a heal over time which is often undesirable, and B) an enchanment and therefore strippable before its full heal is delivered.

Kakumei · Jan 06, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02

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Originally Posted by Brother Andicus

Thats also a bit of a misconception. Sure its not energy efficient on a monk primary where you get a divine boost which makes 2 small heals much better. But on a secondary monk it is actually fine as far as energy is concerned. Its problems lay more in the fact that it is A) a heal over time which is often undesirable, and B) an enchanment and therefore strippable before its full heal is delivered.

...and therefore awful.

I'm glad we had this talk.

lightblade · Jan 06, 2007, 03:36 AM // 03:36

They're not useless
They're simply unpopular

mrmango · Jan 06, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by lightblade

They're not useless
They're simply unpopular

QFT.
Couldn't say it better.

lishi · Jan 06, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

...and therefore awful.

I'm glad we had this talk.

not really

its a enchanment so it can cover skill like prot spirit.

look at a gvg runner. it will cast healing breeze then run in becouse ... while you running you stopping to cast a heal will give extra time to the enemy team to kill you.

ateddybear · Jan 06, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Unpopular because they aren't useful more likey

Russell.Crowe · Jan 06, 2007, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by lishi

not really

its a enchanment so it can cover skill like prot spirit.

look at a gvg runner. it will cast healing breeze then run in becouse ... while you running you stopping to cast a heal will give extra time to the enemy team to kill you.

actually if they are running it correctly it is to cancel out degen, but meh still not a fan either way

Hand of Ruin · Jan 06, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

[skill]Primal Rage[/skill]

It needs to be "disables all ATTACK skills" before it can ever have a real use.

Racthoh · Jan 06, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Tease and Balthazar's Pendulum. One is an elite touch range hex that ends when you get hit by the person hexed by it the other is an elite smiting skill that prevents one knockdown.

escoffier · Jan 06, 2007, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by realoddsman

I find death nova to be quite useless...

tell that to a minion bomber

LONGA · Jan 06, 2007, 07:44 AM // 07:44

[skill]Tease[/skill] make good replace ment for blackout. After Tease ,put [skill]Distortion[/skill] on then you got a mute casters.
For death Nova is good but I think we need a keys shortcut to select your minoins/pet/spirits.I've been running minon bomber its need a lot of concentration to focus to click on running minons.

Alleji · Jan 06, 2007, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by lightblade

They're not useless
They're simply unpopular

I'm glad your glass is always half-full, but otyugh's cry is useless.

Lampshade · Jan 06, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

The skill in the OP is absolutely useless in PvP, because it can't you used.

Redfeather1975 · Jan 06, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

I think the OP was more interested in people giving uses for skills that some considered useless rather than simply saying a skill was useless or arguing that it isn't.
Here is an example of a skill that some people said is not very good.
[skill]Spirit Rift[/skill]
I have seen that the 3 second delay on this skill makes it useful for setting up a spike. With my Rt/Me or Me/Rt I can cast this and time a spread of deep wound for a nice AOE spike. There are also other rit spells that can be done with timing to go off right when Spirit Rift does producing a decent spike.

Bale_Shadowscar · Jan 06, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by Alleji

I'm glad your glass is always half-full, but otyugh's cry is useless.

So what if we're running a whole ranger/pet team? +20 armor for all our pets for half a minute for 5 energy doesn't seem to bad.

I'd say its pretty useful in that situation.

Lets Get to Healing · Jan 06, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Tease and Balthazar's Pendulum. One is an elite touch range hex that ends when you get hit by the person hexed by it the other is an elite smiting skill that prevents one knockdown.

Shadow of Haste + Tease + Deash = a monks best friend.